{"id":2414,"date":"2013-06-29T23:20:36","date_gmt":"2013-06-29T15:20:36","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/sex.ncu.edu.tw\/jo_article\/?p=2414"},"modified":"2017-01-22T21:00:01","modified_gmt":"2017-01-22T13:00:01","slug":"%e9%85%b7%e5%85%92%e7%9a%84%e7%94%a8%e8%97%a5%e6%94%bf%e6%b2%bb%ef%bc%88%e7%bf%bb%e8%ad%af%e6%a0%a1%e8%a8%82%ef%bc%89","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/sex.ncu.edu.tw\/jo_article\/2013\/06\/%e9%85%b7%e5%85%92%e7%9a%84%e7%94%a8%e8%97%a5%e6%94%bf%e6%b2%bb%ef%bc%88%e7%bf%bb%e8%ad%af%e6%a0%a1%e8%a8%82%ef%bc%89\/","title":{"rendered":"\u9177\u5152\u7684\u7528\u85e5\u653f\u6cbb\uff08\u7ffb\u8b6f\u6821\u8a02\uff09"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-2416 alignright\" src=\"https:\/\/sex.ncu.edu.tw\/jo_article\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/20130629-004ken\u5728\u72d0\u72f8\u611b\u6ecb\u6f14\u8b1b.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"529\" height=\"299\" 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Race\u7684\u6f14\u8b1b\u4e8b\u5f8c\u7531\u4f55\u6625\u8564\u7ffb\u8b6f\u6210\u4e2d\u6587\uff0c\u4e26\u5c0d\u6574\u5834\u7684\u7ffb\u8b6f\u9032\u884c\u6821\u8a02\u3002\uff09<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u767d\u745e\u6885\uff1a\u5927\u5bb6\u597d\uff0c\u6b61\u8fce\u5927\u5bb6\u3002\u4eca\u5929\u7684\u4e3b\u8b1b\u4eba\u662f\u7b2c\u4e00\u6b21\u4f86\u53f0\u6f14\u8b1b\u7684Kane Race\uff0c\u4ed6\u662f\u96ea\u68a8\u5927\u5b78\u6027\u5225\u8207\u6587\u5316\u7814\u7a76\u7cfb\u7684\u7cfb\u4e3b\u4efb\uff0c\u4e3b\u8981\u7814\u7a76\u7684\u984c\u76ee\u662f\u300c\u5065\u5eb7\uff0e\u6027\u5225\uff0e\u6587\u5316\u300d\uff0c\u4ed6\u7684\u535a\u58eb\u8ad6\u6587\u984c\u76ee\u5f88\u6709\u610f\u601d\uff1a<em>Pleasure Consuming Medicine<\/em>\uff0c\u5c31\u662f\u8aaa\uff0c\u7576\u4ee3\u5c0d\u65bc\u6d88\u8cbb\u8005\u548c\u516c\u6c11\u9019\u5169\u500b\u8eab\u5206\u7684\u60f3\u50cf\u5f80\u5f80\u9810\u8a2d\u4e86\u597d\u7684\u6d88\u8cbb\u8005\u624d\u80fd\u505a\u597d\u7684\u516c\u6c11\uff0cKane\u5247\u5f9e\u9019\u500b\u8108\u7d61\u88e1\u4f86\u6aa2\u8996\u4eba\u5011\u4f7f\u7528\u5a1b\u6a02\u85e5\u54c1\u7684\u7fd2\u6163\uff0c\u4ed6\u60f3\u8981\u5efa\u69cb\u4e00\u500b\u6bd4\u8f03\u53e6\u985e\u7684\u3001\u53cd\u6b63\u5178\u7684\u516c\u885b\u601d\u8003\uff0c\u4ee5\u56de\u61c9HIV\u548c<em>AIDS<\/em><em>\uff0c\u4e5f\u5c31\u662f\u5728\u4e00\u500b\u5f88\u6b63\u5178\u7684\u601d\u8003\u88e1\u5c0b\u627e\u4e00\u500b\u53e6\u985e\u7684\u770b\u6cd5\u3002\u9019\u500b\u984c\u76ee\u5f88\u722d\u8b70\uff0c\u4f46\u662f\u7576\u5e74\u9084\u662f\u5f97\u5230\u6700\u4f73\u535a\u58eb\u8ad6\u6587\u734e\uff0c\u5f8c\u4f86\u7684\u7814\u7a76\u90fd\u548c\u91ab\u5b78\u3001\u79d1\u6280\u3001\u6027\u6709\u95dc\u3002\u73fe\u5728\u4ed6\u5728\u7814\u7a76\u65b0\u5a92\u9ad4\u5982\u4f55\u8b93\u540c\u6027\u6200\u4e92\u76f8\u8a8d\u8b58\u4ea4\u5f80\uff0c\u601d\u8003\u65b0\u5a92\u9ad4\u6709\u4ec0\u9ebc\u65b0\u7684\u53ef\u80fd\u6027\uff1b\u53e6\u5916\uff0c\u4ed6\u4e5f\u7814\u7a76\u74f6\u88dd\u6c34\uff0c\u7814\u7a76\u5b83\u662f\u600e\u9ebc\u8b8a\u6210\u4e00\u500b\u53ef\u4ee5\u8cb7\u8ce3\u7684\u6771\u897f\uff0c\u6709\u4ec0\u9ebc\u793e\u6703\u610f\u7fa9\uff0c\u975e\u5e38\u6709\u8da3\u3002\u4eca\u5929\u6211\u5011\u6709\u4e00\u500b\u82f1\u4e2d\u3001\u4e2d\u82f1\u7684\u7ffb\u8b6f\u968a\uff0c\u4e01\u4e43\u975e\u548c\u5f35\u53cb\u9756\u6703\u63d0\u4f9b\u670d\u52d9\u3002\u73fe\u5728\u8acb<\/em><em>Kane Race<\/em><em>\u958b\u59cb<\/em><em>\u3002<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Kane Race: \u00a0Hello, everyone, great to see you all here. \u00a0Thank you very much for coming. \u00a0I\u2019d really like to thank my hosts from the Center for the Study of Sexualities at NCU. \u00a0It\u2019s really a great honor to be invited to be here and a wonderful opportunity to get to know the work of the members of the Center, whose works actually I\u2019ve admired from afar for several years now, ever since I first came across them at the Sexuality conference in Bangkok in 2005. \u00a0So thank you very much for the invitation.<\/p>\n<p>\u4e01\u4e43\u975e\uff08\u7ffb\u8b6f\uff09\uff1a\u5927\u5bb6\u597d\uff0c\u5f88\u9ad8\u8208\u898b\u5230\u5404\u4f4d\uff0c\u4e5f\u8b1d\u8b1d\u4f60\u5011\u4f86\u3002\u6211\u8981\u611f\u8b1d\u4e2d\u592e\u5927\u5b78\u6027\uff0f\u5225\u7814\u7a76\u5ba4\u9080\u8acb\u6211\u4f86\u53f0\u7063\uff0c\u975e\u5e38\u9ad8\u8208\u6709\u6a5f\u6703\u548c\u6027\uff0f\u5225\u7814\u7a76\u5ba4\u6210\u54e1\u9762\u5c0d\u9762\u4ea4\u6d41\u3002\u6211\u57282005\u5e74\u6cf0\u570b\u8209\u884c\u7684\u300c\u7b2c\u4e00\u5c46\u4e9e\u6d32\u9177\u5152\u7814\u7a76\u570b\u969b\u6703\u8b70\u300d\u4e0a\u5c31\u77e5\u9053\u4e86\u4e2d\u592e\u5927\u5b78\u6027\uff0f\u5225\u7814\u7a76\u5ba4\u7684\u5404\u9805\u5de5\u4f5c\uff0c\u6211\u975e\u5e38\u4ef0\u6155\uff0c\u4e5f\u611f\u8b1d\u4f60\u5011\u7684\u9080\u8acb\u3002<\/p>\n<p>Kane Race: It\u2019s particularly exciting and interesting for me to be talking a little bit about my book <em>Pleasure Consuming Medicine<\/em> here in Taipei. \u00a0When I began work on this project, which was back in 2000, actually my family was living in Bangkok at the time. \u00a0I was observing the mechanism of toxins, programs on social moral order, where there were a number of raids of gay saunas, and I was following the news at the time. \u00a0It struck me as a very particular use of drug testing technologies in order to perform a sort of symbolic operation for the state. \u00a0I began to do a little bit of research and I saw that similar events were happening in Taiwan in Taipei at the time, where there were raids of gay sex parties and HIV testing and drug testing following the raids. \u00a0It seemed to me that this was sort of a broader pattern or broader technology of government that required analysis.<\/p>\n<p>\u5f35\u6c38\u9756\uff08\u7ffb\u8b6f\uff09\uff1a\u5f88\u9ad8\u8208\u53ef\u4ee5\u548c\u5927\u5bb6\u5206\u4eab\u6211\u7684\u5c08\u66f8<em>Pleasure Consuming Medicine<\/em>\uff0c\u9019\u672c\u66f8\u7684\u7814\u7a76\u5de5\u4f5c\u662f2000\u5e74\u958b\u59cb\u7684\uff0c\u90a3\u6642\u5019\u6211\u548c\u5bb6\u4eba\u4f4f\u5728\u6cf0\u570b\u66fc\u8c37\uff0c\u7576\u5730\u5a92\u9ad4\u5831\u5c0e\u4e00\u9023\u4e32\u5c0d\u540c\u5fd7\u4e09\u6eab\u6696\u7684\u7a81\u8972\u81e8\u6aa2\uff0c\u6211\u56e0\u6b64\u958b\u59cb\u89c0\u5bdf\u9019\u7a2e\u7dad\u8b77\u793e\u6703\u9053\u5fb7\u79e9\u5e8f\u7684\u884c\u52d5\u3002\u6211\u611f\u89ba\u9019\u4e9b\u73fe\u8c61\u5176\u5be6\u662f\u4ee5\u4e00\u7a2e\u7279\u6b8a\u7684\u65b9\u5f0f\u4f86\u5229\u7528\u85e5\u7269\u7be9\u6aa2\u6280\u8853\u66ff\u570b\u5bb6\u57f7\u884c\u4e00\u7a2e\u8c61\u5fb5\u6027\u7684\u884c\u52d5\u3002\u6211\u5728\u641c\u5c0b\u76f8\u95dc\u8cc7\u8a0a\u6642\u767c\u73fe\uff0c\u7576\u6642\u53f0\u5317\u4e5f\u6709\u985e\u4f3c\u7684\u5c0d\u540c\u5fd7\u8f5f\u8db4\u9032\u884c\u81e8\u6aa2\u7684\u884c\u52d5\uff0c\u800c\u4e14\u4f34\u96a8\u8457\u5f37\u5236\u7684\u9a57\u8840\u3001\u9a57\u85e5\u3002\u6211\u89ba\u5f97\u9019\u4e9b\u73fe\u8c61\u986f\u7136\u662f\u4e00\u500b\u5bec\u5ee3\u800c\u64f4\u5927\u4e2d\u7684\u6cbb\u7406\u6280\u8853\uff0c\u9700\u8981\u6211\u5011\u8a73\u52a0\u5206\u6790\u3002<\/p>\n<p>Kane Race: So while I am really not confident to talk about politics in East Asia or South-East Asia, and the book maybe talks about developments in Australia, I would say that some of the key concepts in the book have been very much informed by my impressions of what has been happening in East Asia and South-East Asia. \u00a0So I am very looking forward to learning more about this.<\/p>\n<p>\u4e01\u4e43\u975e\uff08\u7ffb\u8b6f\uff09\uff1a\u96d6\u7136\u6211\u5c0d\u8a0e\u8ad6\u6771\u4e9e\u6216\u6771\u5357\u4e9e\u9019\u65b9\u9762\u7684\u653f\u6cbb\u6c92\u6709\u5341\u8db3\u7684\u4fe1\u5fc3\uff0c\u800c\u6211\u7684\u66f8\u4e3b\u8981\u662f\u95dc\u65bc\u6fb3\u6d32\u5728\u9019\u500b\u8b70\u984c\u4e0a\u7684\u767c\u5c55\uff0c\u53ef\u662f\u5728\u64b0\u5beb\u7684\u904e\u7a0b\u88e1\uff0c\u6211\u4e5f\u53d7\u5230\u4e86\u6771\u4e9e\u548c\u6771\u5357\u4e9e\u6b63\u5728\u767c\u751f\u7684\u8a31\u591a\u73fe\u8c61\u7684\u555f\u767c\uff0c\u6211\u975e\u5e38\u5e0c\u671b\u80fd\u5920\u9032\u4e00\u6b65\u77ad\u89e3\u3002<\/p>\n<p>Kane Race: People ask me why I wrote <em>Pleasure Consuming Medicine<\/em> as I began my PHD project. \u00a0I guess my first response to that is that growing up as a gay man in Sidney in the 1990s, invariably, in much of one\u2019s social world, or important aspects of one\u2019s social world, drugs were part of that. \u00a0If one didn\u2019t take them oneself, that was certainly part of the most important scenes of gay socializations, bars, dance parties, and so on. \u00a0And it seemed to me that there was a degree of everyday experience and expertise and, you know, proficiency in how to use drugs. (\u773e\u4eba\u7b11) \u00a0That was just really part of people\u2019s everyday experience. \u00a0But the disconnect between this practical experience of people on the ground and the official discourse was so glaring, you know, such a big gap between them that it seemed to me, you know, absolutely absurd.\u00a0 Something needed to be 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Race: I guess there is and it has increased in popularity in the last ten years. \u00a0And that has produced a change in some of the social forms that I described here. \u00a0So whereas in the 1990s, partying was organized around big collective event, these days, partying, including sex partying, will often be at people\u2019s home, organized by the attendees. \u00a0I think the changing size of drug use is partly because you have Internet access, but also because, so the changing forms of place of drug or sexual drug use is partly because of the Internet. \u00a0Partly because of the availability of the internet. \u00a0But also relates to the very strong policing of public spaces. \u00a0So people are scared to participate in the dance parties because of the police.\u00a0 Also, I could just add I wouldn\u2019t deny that there are very real dangers and harms associated with crystal methamphetamine for example. But just like with the dance parties, if we want to develop care practices that respond most effectively, to the ways that this drug is being used, it\u2019s important to understand the culture for what it is, including its 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Race: So in transnational context, I would say, even though Australia are considered progressive\u2026even in that context, we see this is going on, where the family is being operationalized, or deployed in such a way, as to deflate governmental responsibilities for the issue. \u00a0And in fact, if you look at the American, I think this is a very common strategy within neo-liberal regimes, to privatize the problem in the form of the family. \u00a0And one effective response to that is that not everybody has the access to a family form, actually; and people must their access to the family form. \u00a0So it\u2019s all very well to say that the strongest weapon against drugs is family. \u00a0But actually lots of people exist outside that context. \u00a0I think it\u2019s a very difficult thing to respond to because the family is reified and romanticized certainly, and globally, these days, as a sort of ideal haven, and the cure to social problems. \u00a0I guess I would add to that by saying, yes, it\u2019s important to educate parents around different ways of responding to their children\u2019s practices. \u00a0But I think probably a more urgent task for queer activists is to envisage and elaborate forms of community cares, collective care that don\u2019t always come in the family 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Race: I think that\u2019s a very good question: why is it so difficult to acknowledge the pleasure that people take in drug use. \u00a0I think part of the answer is because we have something like a sort of artificial set of distinctions between illicit drugs and licit drugs. \u00a0You mentioned that everybody, presumably, actually not everybody, but you know, taking pleasure in sex is sort of accepted as normative thing. \u00a0I mean I guess you can say the same about intoxication. We like a glass of wine or a glass of beer at dinner. That\u2019s a drug. It\u2019s a drug! That experience is that it gives us momentary suspension of subjectivity, which allows us to engage in various forms of attentiveness or inattentiveness. \u00a0It allows us to forget the day; it allows us to do things we otherwise might not do. \u00a0So intoxication is universal drug history, and universal culture. \u00a0But, it\u2019s not so hard to understand. \u00a0I think the way that drug use, illicit drug use, is minoritized made it seem like sort of, you know, a special group over here. \u00a0It is something that needs to be actively challenged because in fact intoxication is much wider form of human 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Race: One other thing I would like to add to that is this sort of categorization of different forms of intoxication: alcohol is okay; other drugs are not okay. \u00a0There\u2019s obviously a gendered politics for this as well. \u00a0So if you think about the development of the dance culture, I am not sure if it\u2019s the same here, but in many Western contexts, dance culture, initially, the culture that developed around ecstasy, very much saw itself as sort of alternative to the hetero-masculine beer drinking culture in Australia. \u00a0So the attempts to say this is the way people should be intoxicated.\u00a0 Every practice of intoxication has a set of affective, gendered, structures of feelings. \u00a0So what we are engaging in here is that forms of gender politics and cultural politics as well a lot of the 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Race: Yes. \u00a0Just add to what Hans was saying, I am not suggesting the family is effective in doing what the state wants it to do. \u00a0So I am not saying that family is effective, in fact, often, families can\u2019t bear all the pressures that are put on to them. \u00a0So this sort of investment in the family by the state is doubly objectionable, because its frames the family of all this pressures that the family is being called upon to manage that makes mothers feel bad, makes fathers feel bad. \u00a0And often the problems have much more complex political economic social cultural 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Race: I mean it\u2019s very ironic because in liberal theory, the family is sort of idealized as a sort of safe haven from the public world of politics, here we have and sort of idealized as this natural form that somehow outside of politics. \u00a0But in Australia, the family is a heavily subsidized form, there are all sorts of discounts ranging from first-time homeowners to the baby bonus you know a whole lot of tax credits are given to the family. \u00a0The families are majorly subsidized social structure, not the natural free of politics area. \u00a0I don\u2019t think that\u2019s peculiar to Australia; it is very much true of neo-liberal governments in many other occasions.<\/p>\n<p>\u5f35\u6c38\u9756\uff08\u7ffb\u8b6f\uff09\uff1a\u9019\u662f\u500b\u8af7\u523a\u7684\u73fe\u8c61\uff0c\u81ea\u7531\u4e3b\u7fa9\u7406\u8ad6\u628a\u5bb6\u5ead\u7406\u60f3\u5316\u6210\u70ba\u5929\u5802\uff0c\u9060\u96e2\u516c\u5171\u9818\u57df\u7684\u653f\u6cbb\uff1b\u4f46\u662f\u5728\u6fb3\u6d32\uff0c\u5bb6\u5ead\u662f\u6700\u53d7\u5230\u653f\u5e9c\u88dc\u52a9\u7684\uff0c\u5f9e\u9996\u6b21\u8cb7\u623f\u5230\u751f\u80b2\u88dc\u52a9\uff0c\u5bb6\u5ead\u5728\u8ce6\u7a05\u4e0a\u53ef\u4ee5\u5f97\u5230\u5404\u7a2e\u6298\u6263\u6e1b\u514d\u3002\u6240\u4ee5\u8aaa\uff0c\u5bb6\u5ead\u4f5c\u70ba\u6700\u4e3b\u8981\u4eab\u53d7\u88dc\u52a9\u7684\u793e\u6703\u7d50\u69cb\uff0c\u4e26\u4e0d\u662f\u4ec0\u9ebc\u5929\u7136\u7684\u3001\u4e0d\u6d89\u653f\u6cbb\u7684\u9818\u57df\u3002\u800c\u4e14\u4e26\u4e0d\u662f\u53ea\u6709\u6fb3\u6d32\u5982\u6b64\uff0c\u5f88\u591a\u65b0\u81ea\u7531\u4e3b\u7fa9\u653f\u5e9c\u90fd\u9019\u6a23\u505a\u3002<\/p>\n<p>Helen Grace: I just want to go back to the very beginning, the very interesting points you are making about experimentation. \u00a0I want to apply that to the question of innovation as well. \u00a0The ways in which there seem to be some links between experimentation and drugs.\u00a0 \u00a0So the users are innovators in a very interesting way. \u00a0There\u2019s a process by which there is a sanctioning only sorts of experimentation and innovation within institution framework with all the, you know pharmacy or scientific fields that are institutionalized.\u00a0 And so what is happening is an interesting taking away from people the ability to innovate at this level that has implication for a general theory of knowledge. I am just wondering if you thought more about this. \u00a0It just seems to be really interesting the way that this privatization or rather appropriation of innovation into sanctioned areas. \u00a0This feature of both technological but also biological innovation.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u63d0\u554f\u516dHelen Grace<\/strong>\uff1a\u5728\u524d\u9762Ken\u63d0\u5230\u300c\u5be6\u9a57\u300d\u6027\u7684\u85e5\u7269\u4f7f\u7528\uff0c\u6211\u60f3\u628a\u9019\u7a2e\u5be6\u9a57\u6027\u5e36\u5230\u300c\u5275\u65b0\u300d\u7684\u9762\u5411\uff0c\u4e5f\u5c31\u662f\u8aaa\uff0c\u5be6\u9a57\u548c\u85e5\u7269\u4f7f\u7528\u4e4b\u9593\u6709\u5f88\u5bc6\u5207\u7684\u95dc\u9023\u3002\u793e\u7fa4\u7576\u4e2d\u7684\u7528\u85e5\u8005\u5176\u5be6\u5c31\u662f\u5f88\u6709\u8da3\u7684\u5275\u767c\u8005\uff0c\u4ed6\u5011\u7684\u85e5\u7269\u4f7f\u7528\u5145\u6eff\u4e86\u539f\u5275\u6027\u548c\u77e5\u8b58\u6027\u3002\u53ef\u662f\u5728\u5236\u5ea6\u7684\u67b6\u69cb\u88e1\uff0c\u53ea\u6709\u67d0\u4e9b\u5be6\u9a57\u548c\u5275\u65b0\u662f\u88ab\u5bb9\u8a31\u7684\uff0c\u4f8b\u5982\u5728\u85e5\u5ee0\u6216\u79d1\u5b78\u9818\u57df\u88e1\u3002\u90a3\u500b\u6b77\u53f2\u904e\u7a0b\uff0c\u898b\u8b49\u4e86\u570b\u5bb6\u662f\u975e\u5e38\u6709\u9078\u64c7\u6027\u7684\u8b93\u67d0\u4e9b\u5275\u767c\u8b8a\u6210\u662f\u6709\u50f9\u503c\u7684\u3001\u53ef\u8cc7\u52a9\u7684\u3001\u6b63\u5f0f\u7684\u77e5\u8b58\uff0c\u53ef\u662f\u5176\u4ed6\u9818\u57df\u7684\u5275\u767c\u5c31\u88ab\u8996\u70ba\u6beb\u7121\u50f9\u503c\uff0c\u800c\u4e14\u9084\u8981\u88ab\u61f2\u7f70\u3002\u9019\u5176\u5be6\u5c31\u662f\u525d\u596a\u4eba\u6c11\u5275\u767c\u7684\u80fd\u529b\uff0c\u525d\u596a\u4ed6\u5011\u751f\u7522\u7684\u77e5\u8b58\u3002\u9019\u662f\u4e00\u500b\u6709\u95dc\u77e5\u8b58\u6b0a\u529b\u7684\u653f\u6cbb\uff0c\u628a\u6280\u8853\u548c\u751f\u7269\u65b9\u9762\u7684\u5275\u65b0\u90fd\u79c1\u6709\u5316\uff0c\u9650\u5236\u5728\u88ab\u653f\u5e9c\u63a7\u7ba1\u7684\u9818\u57df\u88e1\u3002<\/p>\n<p>Kane Race: Thanks. \u00a0I think it\u2019s a very interesting context to frame the stuff in, the question of the innovation and experimentation. \u00a0It\u2019s really striking to me that many of these substances having been used on dance floors are experimented within more medically inacceptable forms, in order to create medical applications. \u00a0The best example is Viagra, which is actually originally being trialed for certain heart conditions and, this is in the context of clinical trials, you know, users started reporting that male users that having sustained erections. \u00a0Technically speaking, this was an abuse or misuse of the drug in the sense that it was a off label effect that then became the use of drug. And it is really striking to me that if this were to take place in the community setting, it would be processed as misuse of abuse, and therefore illicit. \u00a0So I think that is a very interesting and important sort of frame to set this in. \u00a0Also you were mentioning about appropriation is absolute how oppose the equation it seems to me that the penalty to define certain uses of drugs as abuse, as misuse, is very much deemed to the medical monopoly to what drugs should be used for; and that is of course commercial monopoly. That\u2019s something of course I discuss a bit at more length in the book, where this distinction between use and misuse, and how to determine what is abuse, what is misuse is a sort of simple feature in drug politics.<\/p>\n<p>\u5f35\u6c38\u9756\uff1a\u5f9e\u5be6\u9a57\u548c\u5275\u767c\u7684\u89d2\u5ea6\u4f86\u601d\u8003\u300c\u7528\u85e5\u300d\u5176\u5be6\u662f\u5f88\u6709\u8da3\u7684\u3002\u56e0\u70ba\u8a31\u591a\u5728\u8db4\u5834\u88e1\u666e\u904d\u4f7f\u7528\u7684\u85e5\u7269\u90fd\u662f\u900f\u904e\u91ab\u7642\u4e0a\u4e0d\u5bb9\u8a31\u7684\u5f62\u5f0f\u7531\u4f7f\u7528\u8005\u958b\u767c\u51fa\u65b0\u7684\u7528\u6cd5\uff0c\u5f8c\u4f86\u8b8a\u6210\u65b0\u7684\u91ab\u7642\u7528\u9014\u3002\u6700\u597d\u7684\u4f8b\u5b50\u5c31\u662f\u5a01\u800c\u525b\uff0c\u9019\u500b\u85e5\u7269\u672c\u4f86\u5728\u8a66\u7528\u7684\u6642\u5019\u662f\u7528\u4f86\u8655\u7406\u5fc3\u8840\u7ba1\u75be\u75c5\u7684\uff0c\u4f46\u662f\u5728\u8a66\u9a57\u904e\u7a0b\u88e1\uff0c\u7537\u6027\u4f7f\u7528\u8005\u56de\u5831\uff0c\u51fa\u73fe\u6301\u7e8c\u7684\u52c3\u8d77\uff0c\u56e0\u6b64\u5f8c\u4f86\u8b8a\u6210\u6539\u5584\u967d\u840e\u7684\u85e5\u7269\u3002\u5f9e\u6280\u8853\u4e0a\u4f86\u8aaa\uff0c\u9019\u53ef\u4ee5\u8aaa\u662f\u5c0d\u539f\u672c\u85e5\u7269\u7684\u6feb\u7528\u6216\u8aa4\u7528\uff1a\u4e00\u500b\u539f\u5148\u4e0d\u5728\u53f0\u9762\u4e0a\u7684\u7528\u9014\uff0c\u5f8c\u4f86\u8b8a\u6210\u4e86\u9019\u500b\u85e5\u7269\u7684\u4e3b\u8981\u7528\u9014\u3002\u6211\u89ba\u5f97\u6709\u8da3\u7684\u662f\uff0c\u9019\u500b\u4e8b\u60c5\u8981\u662f\u767c\u751f\u5728\u540c\u6027\u6200\u793e\u7fa4\u88e1\uff0c\u5927\u6982\u5c31\u6703\u88ab\u7576\u6210\u6feb\u7528\u3001\u975e\u6cd5\uff0c\u4f46\u662f\u5728\u85e5\u5ee0\u7684\u8108\u7d61\u88e1\u537b\u6210\u4e86\u65b0\u7684\u79d1\u5b78\u7a81\u7834\u3002\u6240\u4ee5Helen\u63d0\u7684\u9019\u500b\u300c\u5275\u65b0\u88ab\u58df\u65b7\u300d\u662f\u4e00\u500b\u5f88\u91cd\u8981\u7684\u601d\u8003\u6846\u67b6\uff0c\u85e5\u7269\u61c9\u8a72\u5982\u4f55\u88ab\u4f7f\u7528\uff0c\u73fe\u5728\u8b8a\u6210\u4e86\u88ab\u85e5\u5ee0\u548c\u653f\u5e9c\u7368\u65b7\u7684\u8b70\u984c\uff0c\u76ee\u7684\u7576\u7136\u5c31\u662f\u70ba\u4e86\u58df\u65b7\u53ef\u80fd\u7684\u5546\u696d\u5229\u76ca\uff0c\u6211\u5728\u66f8\u88e1\u4e5f\u6709\u6df1\u5165\u8a0e\u8ad6\u9019\u500b\u554f\u984c\uff0c\u56e0\u70ba\u300c\u4f7f\u7528\u300d\u548c\u300c\u6feb\u7528\u300d\u4e4b\u5225\u5176\u5be6\u5c31\u662f\u85e5\u7269\u653f\u6cbb\u7684\u6838\u5fc3\u3002<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u63d0\u554f\u4e03Tim Buckfield<\/strong>\uff1a\u628a\u4eab\u6a02\u7576\u6210\u4e00\u500b\u653f\u6cbb\u8b70\u984c\u4f86\u770b\uff0c\u6700\u91cd\u8981\u7684\u4e3b\u9ad4\u61c9\u8a72\u662f\u90a3\u4e9b\u8dd1\u8db4\u7684\u4eba\u3002\u53ef\u662f\u4ed6\u5011\u56e0\u70ba\u592a\u5fd9\u4e86\uff08\u773e\u4eba\u7b11\uff09\uff0c\u6240\u4ee5\u5f88\u96e3\u628a\u9019\u500b\u505a\u6210\u653f\u6cbb\u7684\u8b70\u984c\u3002\u90a3\u8981\u600e\u9ebc\u8fa6\uff1f\u8981\u600e\u6a23\u628a\u4eab\u6a02\u4e3b\u7fa9\u52d5\u54e1\u8d77\u4f86\uff1f<\/p>\n<p>Kane Race: I have to say that my strategy in this book was \u2026well, one thing that I was confronted with was that we have this pleasure that\u2019s fairly widely practiced, but not necessarily acknowledged, and also being illicit. \u00a0So one of the analytic strategies in my book was to actually say, \u201cHey! Come on! This is actually quite an ordinary pleasure.\u201d \u00a0I don\u2019t mean a normal pleasure, I mean an ordinary pleasure. \u00a0So in some ways, if anything, it\u2019s a de-dramatizing argument, rather than trying to be subversive. \u00a0In fact, what I was trying to do in the book is to say this isn\u2019t that way out there. \u00a0So that\u2019s one thing I would say in response. \u00a0The second thing is: how do you mobilize communities that are more explicitly built around pleasure? \u00a0I actually think they are doing a really good job at mobilizing themselves. \u00a0They are having a whole bunch of very important social effects as we speak. \u00a0If I think about how, for example, the history of Mardi Gras, which is a great big party, has affected the culture in Sidney, I think the effects are undeniable, that it created a friendly, more vibrant dynamic, more exciting sort of atmosphere that has led to better sorts of capacities to engage with difference. \u00a0And to me that\u2019s very important social change. \u00a0So I guess I am trying to resist the idea that there\u2019s this inherent separation between pleasure and politics. \u00a0Actually we have a politics that\u2019s imminent in our pleasure 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Race: I guess I will start by saying that it will be a mistake to hear my argument as non-controversial in the Australian context. \u00a0In other words, this is a controversial argument in Australia. \u00a0The history of Mardi Gras that I outlined, took place in the 1980s, when we had a much more progressive labor government in Australia. \u00a0That was a period where there were a lot of progressive social reforms. \u00a0That all stopped in 1996 and in some ways, I think, more recent political developments in Australia have produced a incredibly socially conservative culture. \u00a0But because we have these historical precedents, I guess that provides one of the condition of possibility for making these arguments, because we have a successful record in HIV\/AIDS, which is internationally recognized, it makes it possible for arguments that evidence themselves in relation to that history to have some sort of purchase. \u00a0Even though, there is a lot of amnesia now around that history as well. \u00a0I am also glad that you raised this question of the work ethic because that\u2019s something I was very interested in in my book. \u00a0One of the chapters talks about this scene from \u201cSouth Park,\u201d where this whole episode about this guy who comes back from one of the characters, Stan\u2019s past; he comes as Stan\u2019s future self and he\u2019s been on drugs. \u00a0It turns out the parents have employed an actor to comment, to enter Stan\u2019s life to play Stan\u2019s future self precisely in order to conjure up this sort of inappropriate work ethic in Stan. \u00a0So this is something you can see replicated in a lot of anti-drug discourse, where it seems like sort of spectacle about this horrible, disappointing future is used to in order to, you know, promote this sort of enterprising work ethic sort of self. \u00a0When people describe a sort of life on drugs as in terms of waste, what they are talking about is the dangers of not adhering to the work ethic. 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abuse, but it is still being pathologized and problematized. \u00a0The main discourse that comes up in public health campaigns is that we have campaigns like \u201cWhat are you doing to yourself? \u201d where the image is of a women that has got herself into some sort of sexual danger through drinking too much. \u00a0That is the overriding narrative; it\u2019s an interesting responsiblization of female subjects or sexual assault. \u00a0Because if they drink, they have no one else to blame. \u00a0So that\u2019s one of the ways in which the discourse of sexual danger seems to be entering into the way an intoxication problem is being constructed. \u00a0In relation to the discourse on illicit drugs, certainly in some of the anti-drug campaigns you will see images of prostitution as one of the potential bad outcomes of getting hooked. \u00a0So the discourses are definitely there. \u00a0You know, features as part of this anti-drug discourses. 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Cho<\/strong>: I have a short question in terms of methodology because it seems you are working mainly with discourse analysis. \u00a0So my question is whether you had any chance to do interviews with drug users themselves, and how their drug use fits in within the context of their own lives. \u00a0I guess one of the reasons I am asking this question is that you\u2019ve mentioned neo-liberalism as one of the key frames for your research. \u00a0But it seems like the way you are using neo-liberalism is in a very structural manner, with state intervening agent.\u00a0 Now, tying this conversation back to the notion of work ethic, the fact of developing oneself, which is much required nowadays of all subjects, but in particular gay subjects in order to remain employable, so how does this controlled use of pleasure bit into fend their own time? \u00a0Is it very conservative or progressive? \u00a0It seems like this compartmentalization of pleasure, it can be part of neo-liberal subjects\u2019 compartmentalization of pleasure, engaging in the short spurts of what you call distraction in order to work better, to be come better workers 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Race: \u00a0Thanks for your question. \u00a0Just in terms of methodology, I didn\u2019t directly do an empirical research on this but I drew on a lot of already conducted empirical research that explore people\u2019s experience of drug use, and particularly looking at papers on drug practices. \u00a0I don\u2019t think that empirical research is necessarily about the neoliberal subject, and basically whether a model of pleasure and drug use that could be made to fit with sort of idealized conceptions of neoliberal subject. \u00a0I think, it is a very interesting sort of question for a couple of reasons, one is, in consumer society, the idea you can engage in a sort of a \u201ccontrolled<strong> de-control<\/strong>\u201d of the emotions, that\u2019s a term from the sociologist, Cas Wouters, is absolutely one of the subjective positions that we are all expected to inhabit. \u00a0There can be times where we relax. \u00a0There can be times where we tune out. \u00a0So in some senses that sort of subject position that consumer society might be considered lend itself toward. \u00a0But there is also, what you are saying is interesting for another reason, within the harm reduction literature, the way that people are often countered this sort of demonizing discourse of drugs is by saying \u201c Oh, no\u2026drug user is a completely in control rational subject. \u00a0They know what they are doing\u2026 they are making choices about their behavior, et cetera et cetera et cetera\u2026.\u201d \u00a0I think that sort of counter argument has an element of truth to it; often drug users are more in control than anti-drug discourse might have you believe. \u00a0But to me it just repeats the version of the neoliberal subject that\u2019s in control, sovereign, choice making, etc. \u00a0So in my more recent work, even toward the end of <em>Pleasure Consuming Medicine<\/em>, I sort of try to think about different ways of paying attention to what is going on for the subject, for whom intentionality is not overriding mode of operation. \u00a0I am interested in this sort of subtle shifts and modulations that take place when people engage in pleasure. \u00a0To me, paying attention to this is a way sort of displacing this presumption of a sovereign subject, who is always in control of their actions and intentions and so on, which seems to me is the subject neoliberal discourses 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Race: So in relation to the first question about the dialogue between using communities and the medical community, there is not a formal dialogue. \u00a0Certainly, you have drug users accessing a lot of scientific information on the Internet now, and there are a number of Internet sites that are specifically devoted to conveying what is known about the scientific properties of drugs.\u00a0 For the information, there are a number of sites. \u00a0There are various sites that do that. \u00a0So that provides one sort of relay between scientific knowledge and user groups, or user communities. \u00a0The teams that respond to drug related emergencies at parties, they generally have been volunteer teams from the communities; they might be medical professionals or health professionals of one sort or another as well. \u00a0But they are not necessarily people who are involved in research on drugs. They are more just trained health workers. \u00a0But what\u2019s interesting I suppose about how they operate and the care practices they develop, is that they are based on the familiarity with what is going on in that environment. \u00a0They are based on a sort of an intimate knowledge of how drugs are used, drug practices and what they mean for people in that context. \u00a0And to me that is an important sort of element in divising group care practices or effective care practices. \u00a0In relation to the third question, in Australia, gay and lesbian partnerships aren\u2019t recognized in the form of marriage. \u00a0There aren\u2019t any noticeable differences in terms to approaches to drug policy between states that recognize it or not. \u00a0And I wouldn\u2019t mean to suggest that there would be such differences because of that.<\/p>\n<p>\u5f35\u6c38\u9756\uff08\u7ffb\u8b6f\uff09:\u7b2c\u4e00\u500b\u554f\u984c\u662f\u95dc\u65bc\u79d1\u5b78\u5bb6\u91ab\u7642\u5718\u968a\u548c\u5be6\u969b\u4e0a\u85e5\u7269\u4f7f\u7528\u8005\u7684\u793e\u7fa4\u4e4b\u9593\u6709\u6c92\u6709\u5c0d\u8a71\u3002\u5176\u5be6\u4e26\u6c92\u6709\u6b63\u5f0f\u7684\u5c0d\u8a71\uff0c\u4f46\u662f\u85e5\u7269\u4f7f\u7528\u8005\u73fe\u5728\u901a\u5e38\u53ef\u4ee5\u5f9e\u7db2\u8def\u4e0a\u627e\u5c0b\u5230\u6709\u95dc\u85e5\u7269\u7684\u5c08\u696d\u8cc7\u8a0a\uff0c\u6709\u4e00\u4e9b\u7db2\u7ad9\u5c31\u662f\u7279\u5225\u70ba\u4e86\u63d0\u4f9b\u85e5\u7269\u7684\u79d1\u5b78\u6027\u8cea\u8cc7\u8a0a\u800c\u8a2d\u7f6e\u7684\u3002\u9019\u53ef\u4ee5\u8aaa\u662f\u79d1\u5b78\u793e\u7fa4\u548c\u4f7f\u7528\u8005\u793e\u7fa4\u4e4b\u9593\u7684\u4e00\u7a2e\u806f\u7d61\u65b9\u5f0f\u3002\u53e6\u5916\uff0c\u90a3\u4e9b\u5728\u6d3e\u5c0d\u4e0a\u8655\u7406\u548c\u85e5\u7269\u76f8\u95dc\u7684\u7dca\u6025\u60c5\u6cc1\u7684\u5fd7\u9858\u8005\u5718\u968a\u4e5f\u6709\u53ef\u80fd\u662f\u91ab\u7642\u5c08\u696d\u6216\u5065\u5eb7\u5c08\u696d\u7684\u4eba\uff0c\u4ed6\u5011\u4e0d\u898b\u5f97\u7814\u7a76\u85e5\u7269\u800c\u53ea\u662f\u548c\u5065\u5eb7\u6709\u95dc\u7684\u5de5\u4f5c\u8005\uff0c\u4f46\u662f\u6211\u89ba\u5f97\u6709\u8da3\u7684\u662f\u4ed6\u5011\u64cd\u4f5c\u7684\u65b9\u5f0f\u4e5f\u767c\u5c55\u51fa\u65b0\u7684\u7167\u8b77\u5be6\u8e10\uff0c\u56e0\u70ba\u9019\u4e9b\u5be6\u8e10\u90fd\u662f\u51fa\u81ea\u4ed6\u5011\u5c0d\u85e5\u7269\u4f7f\u7528\u8005\u793e\u7fa4\u7684\u7d93\u9a57\u5341\u5206\u719f\u6089\uff0c\u4e5f\u4e86\u89e3\u85e5\u7269\u4f7f\u7528\u8005\u7684\u9700\u8981\uff0c\u548c\u85e5\u7269\u5c0d\u4f7f\u7528\u8005\u7684\u610f\u7fa9\u3002\u5c0d\u6211\u800c\u8a00\uff0c\u5728\u767c\u5c55\u6709\u6548\u7684\u7fa4\u9ad4\u7167\u8b77\u5be6\u8e10\u4e0a\uff0c\u9019\u662f\u975e\u5e38\u91cd\u8981\u7684\u8003\u91cf\u3002\u81f3\u65bc\u525b\u624d\u7684\u7b2c\u4e09\u500b\u554f\u984c\uff0c\u6fb3\u6d32\u4e26\u4e0d\u627f\u8a8d\u540c\u5fd7\u4e4b\u9593\u7684\u5a5a\u59fb\u95dc\u4fc2\uff0c\u800c\u6211\u8a8d\u70ba\u4e00\u500b\u570b\u5bb6\u627f\u8a8d\u540c\u5fd7\u5a5a\u59fb\u8207\u5426\uff0c\u4f3c\u4e4e\u4e5f\u4e26\u4e0d\u9020\u6210\u5b83\u5728\u85e5\u7269\u653f\u7b56\u4e0a\u6703\u6709\u4ec0\u9ebc\u5dee\u5225\u3002<\/p>\n<p>Kane Race: And then in relation to the question about what is the basis for imagining sort of communal, community care practices. \u00a0In the face or in the midst or state\u2019s privatization of care, I would say that actually the state is a very complex beast and I don\u2019t mean to give you the impression of this monolithic thing. \u00a0So there can have varying forces and tendencies even within the state. \u00a0One of the things that the state is concerned about is things like HIV infections, things like numbers of overdoses\u2026and so on. \u00a0So they are interested in all those indicators of whether our program has been successful or not. \u00a0And that provide some basis for them to provide money to community organizations, to have a special knowledge of the communities they serve; 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